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MoonFaker: Moon Rocks Revisited. Episode 2, Apollo Samples & Earth Rocks Are The Same. PART 5.

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Channel: Jarrah White · 2011 · Science & Technology

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Back in Exhibit D we showed that the Apollo rock samples and terrestrial igneous rocks had overwhelming similarities in terms of chemistry, mineralogy and so forth. And now it is also clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that they both contain the same amount of water.

Desperate to accuse me of logical fallacies and muddy the waters, Phil Webb has resorted to misrepresenting two of the sources I cited in MoonFaker Exhibit D.

In my video I played a series of clips from the BBC series "The Planets". One of the episodes covered the overwhelming similarities between earth rocks and moon rocks and the alleged absence of water in the latter, and how it led to the Giant Impact Theory. The similarities discussed in the BBC source are as follows:

a) The moon rock was almost identical to the most basic kind of rock on earth.

b) The isotopes of oxygen in the lunar rocks were exactly the same as on the earth.

c) It was as old as the earth, 4.5billion years.

d) Geologists knew the only way this rock could have formed was if the moon was once completely molten. But a body as small and cold as our moon should never have been that hot.

In an attempt to downplay the similarities between Apollo samples and their terrestrial counterparts, Webb ignores all of the above except for the fact that the two types of rock have the same oxygen isotope ratios. Then creates a strawman implying that I think the two are the same due to their identical oxygen isotope ratios alone. He later creates another strawman, implying that oxygen isotope ratios are the only isotope ratios identical between earth rocks and Apollo rocks. This is absurd: silicon, hydrogen and tungsten isotope ratios are all good examples of ratios that are the same in both types of rock.

Webb then distorts the intended meaning of the following quotation from the 1980 National Geographic Picture Atlas of Our Universe: "Maybe the moon and the earth were formed at the same time, out of the same gas and dust. The same elements are found on both - calcium, aluminum, titanium, magnesium, silicon, oxygen, iron - but in far different proportions."

He twists this to imply that terrestrial rocks and Apollo samples have different proportions of the same elements. What this statement really means is that each element is within the same proportions between the two groups of rock, but the proportions vary from element to element. Anyone can prove this to themselves by downloading the paperwork for any Apollo sample off the Lunar Sample Compendium and compare the chemistry of the said sample to that of their terrestrial counterparts.

Webb also ignores the fact that NASA released data from the Surveyor spacecrafts, which indicates that the moon rocks have these very elements within the same proportions as terrestrial basalts and also eucrites. This of course is assuming the Surveyor data is for real!

Unable to keep my sources in context, Webb resorts to misrepresenting his own source. In response to Bill Kaysing statement that "all moon rocks contained minerals common to earth", Webb rants claiming that "some of the most common minerals found on earth are nearly or completely absent in NASA's moon rocks". The minerals he cites as such are quartz, calcite, magnetite, mica, amphilboles and sulfide minerals.

 It appears Webb has committed the logical fallacies of destroying the exception and changing the scope. As anyone who has passed high school geology should know, quartz, calcite, mica and sulfide minerals are common to SEDIMENTARY rocks, not IGNEOUS rocks like the Apollo samples. No one would expect to find such minerals in igneous rocks. The minerals common to igneous rocks (plagioclase, olivine and pyroxene) are both found within the same ranges in the Apollo samples and their terrestrial cousins.

In fact, reading through Webb's bibliography, it is increasingly obvious that he plagiarized Randy L. Korotev. Korotev runs a website that attempts to distinguish moon rocks from terrestrial sedimentary rocks. Webb frequently copies Korotev nearly word for word throughout his critique series, but deceptively excludes Korotev's clarifying statements.

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