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Unnatural Vegan: Reading & Replying to Criticism (in her defense)

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Channel: à-bas-le-ciel · 2018 · People & Blogs

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NOTE: if you want to read it, the full text of the criticism I received (defending Unnatural Vegan) is quoted below.

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The Patreon text is pre-motherhood & pretty sure pre-relationship.
It is unfair to take an outdated text that she has not touched since years.

Are you surpised that with one toddler and one toddler-to-come she stays with the man of her dreams in the moment? You should be able to relate to that? Don't you thing that when the children are in kindergarden, she actually will meet, greet, organize, bake, invite non-vegan children etc.?

It was not your choice to get divorced and see your daughter only a few times a year - but yet, how would your life be with your daugher? Maybe toys, activities etc. would be more important than meeting other vegans or fight the fight for veganism while travelling around the world.

I am surprised that you argue that cooperation with hunters is necessary (which I agree to), but do not accept that there might be vegans who try to reach out to non-vegans and accept reductutarians. And that it is necessary to reach the 85-95% whol won't be 100% vegen within the next ten, twenty years.

You can build a bridge as a mother of two small children.
Any vegan who has no sympathy with people who call themelves WFPB and shy from defining themselfes "vegan" in public just to avoid the toxic/ignorant vegans of the Durianrider-Freelee-"Influencer" type is suspicious to me.

She might reach more people and convince them of reasons to be vegan - and actually stay vegan b/c she does care what she/others eat. She is Mrs."Well planned vegan diet" - which is more than so many fringe guys out there are able to comprehend. Why should  she be forced to go to potlucks etc? She is not a vegan for people who are already vegan for a longer time watch nf-org etc. But she does attract the intelligent 16-year-old and the curious 60-year old in many forms, confessions and sizes.

She may not attact you or me, but she attracts enough people to make Patreon a reliable stream of revenue. 

Your openness towards seems to crack down as soon as they do not follow your path 100%. If someone meditates, takes antidepressants, accepts small scale animal ownership, talks to non-100%-vegans and 2-day-a-week-vegans, you're out. She does not promote that, she just talks to people  you would accuse of being weak, dumb and immoral.

You refuse to sit down with your very family when they do not refrain from animal consumption. You do that for moral reasons. But you should accept that aside from Freelee and Gary and their posse, not many people are like that. Thy meet their family, they have non-vegan friends. How else would you attract new people? Not everybody wants to loose their foreskin in order to be "pure enough" to be accepted inside the congregation hall.

Concerning radicalness, you are closer to Yourofsky than you may like. You are the "boxing intellectual" kind of radical person. And I fucking like you for that, just as I like Stephen Fry & Chris Hitchens.

Kudos for taking down the most toxic guy on youtube. Without your courage no one would have had the guts do do that. But Vegan Cheetah, Henya, Nikokado, - I am always puzzled that you talk to such shallow people and can't make peace/discuss with UV - your disdain seems to be so strong that even if she would talk to you, there would be no result.

UV is not "on permanent vaccation" - she has evolved from a raw vegan dogsitter to well-planned WFPB vegan mother who does her thing on yt/patreon. Huge plus - she does monetize her children, she does not even show them. She accepts that they have the right to privacy until they are old enough to decide themselves if they want to go online.

You have this strong point that your philosophical videos are excellent and your hangout-videos are great. Talk to people. Some people have to be called out. 

I would appreciate that you reduce the callouts of UV to substantial stuff (like the antidepressant-discussion or the palm oil/date dilemma).

This was an ad-hominem-attack with cheap tricks.
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